“You’re CHEATING!” FIFA Trump Scandal, Taylor Swift Wedding & America 250 | With Megyn Kelly

You and I both know, why are they even talking about possibly having Meghan go to the UK and bring the two children to the UK?Because they need another Netflix hit.They're losers.Everything they've touched has turned to shit.

It was wrong.Rectifying a bad call is not, in some way, doing something inappropriate in the world of sport.You guys are cheating.

Lots of bad calls are made.And if Donald Trump's the only person who jumps in, then that still creates an unlevel playing field.

He did exactly what a real leader does.And if you don't like it, then maybe you need to man up here.

He's turned himself into a pretzel to say everything from Zelensky to anti -Semitism, everything.But Israel is doing it wrong.

The world is upset that Israel managed to pull America into the dumbest war in American history against the advice of every rational critic.

Chief, welcome back to Uncensored.How are you?

Well, I'm sure glad I'm not part of that panel.

Well, there were two enormous national events in the United States this weekend, both of them drawing a global audience and delivering box office entertainment.First was America's 250th birthday celebrations.The second was Taylor Swift's wedding.And somehow, in a way, surely only he can, President Trump has found a way to upstage both of them.His astonishing intervention in the World Cup, calling his FIFA counterpart to question the suspension of US striker Folloran Balligan, violates just about every single rule in the book.Trump laughed it off in the Oval Office shortly before we came on air.

It's a little crazy idea.But all I did — all I did, I asked for a review because I didn't think it was a foul.And, you know, again, I'm good at this stuff.I didn't think it was a foul.I thought it was two great athletes that crashed into each other and got entangled.That was not a — that was not a guy punching somebody in the face or anything that, you know, would be different.

And I think it's — I think it's a terrible — if they wouldn't allow, you know, a top player — maybe the best, maybe among the best players on the team — to play, I think it would have had a big stain.And I related just that feeling.I didn't tell him what to do.I can't tell him what to do.

Well, there's a big stain, all right.I'm afraid, President Trump, you're completely missing the point.Politicians shouldn't be involved like this in sport.Neither should civil law.For the sake of sporting integrity, what happens on the pitch is the only arbiter of success and failure.At least, that's how it should be.

With the World Cup co -hosted by the US, many American sports fans are watching the World Cup despite not generally being great fans of what they erroneously call soccer.And the quickest way of explaining to them why this is such a jaw -dropping scandal is to point out that it's simply never happened before.Balogun was sent off in the USA's previous game in what most people thought was probably a harsh decision by the refereeing team.And that was a shame, especially as Balogun and the USA have been playing so well.But that's life.That's football.

It happens in almost every single game.Now, a red card means an automatic suspension.And there is no recourse for overturning a suspension during a World Cup until now.Well, Trump called the FIFA boss Gianni Infantino to urge a review of a decision.And alongside the Commerce Secretary Howard Ludnick, the White House assembled an elite legal team, we're told, to get the decision overturned.To say this is a can of worms may be the understatement of the entire summer.

It paints the president as a mad king who does whatever he wants.It opens up the possibility of endless legal challenges to the countless bad decisions that are part and parcel of the sport played and officiated by actual human beings.And it brings back into focus all the all of the dubious off -the -field controversies that have so far gone under the radar of a great sporting tournament.It makes FIFA, and by extension the World Cup, look like a corrupt laughingstock.And it completely overshadows the strong performance of the US team, who are on course for their best tournament in modern history.Now, in some ways, you have to admire Trump's hubris.

You can't knock a man for trying.But thelack of backbone on the other end of his phone line to FIFA has caused outrage in pretty much every other country in the world.And sadly, whatever now happens on the pitch, we'll be talking about this for a long time to come.Well, in a moment, I'll speak to my panel.But joining me first on Uncensored is a regular guest, Megyn Kelly, host of The Megyn Kelly Show.

Well, Megyn, first of all, happy 250th.Were you feeling celebratory about the state of your nation?

Very much so.I'm always, I go big on July 4th in my family and this year times 10.We had a marching band, everybody dressed up in colonial costumes, we read the Declaration of Independence as we do every year.Only this year we added the Parade of American Patriots where we had some tough gets, Piers is a fellow.Media man, you'll appreciate, I mean, Abe Lincoln, the Wright brothers, this was no easy feat.Marilyn Monroe, I mean, we got some biggies back from the grave to come walk through and celebrate all that's happened in our country in those 250.

So yeah, we've got, you know, flaws just like any other country, but net net, it's still the best system on earth.And in my view, the best country.

I did suggest in a text message to your president that this might be an opportune moment to rethink letting the monarchy go.maybe bring us back, maybe enjoy King Piers I to rule over him.He sent me a very amusing response, I have to say, but it was of a negative variety.But it made me laugh.But there was, at the same time as all this was happening in America, and obviously I'm very happy for Americans celebrating Independence, of course I am, and it's not your fault that Mad King George screwed things up so badly that he surrendered our power.But as an illustration of what you could have had, Let me just guide you back across the pond to what is happening here, because it involves an old friend of yours and mine, Prince Harry, the rogue son, who is crash landing into the UK.

today.And there's this gigantic furore, as always, has erupted around the little entitled brat, where he and his father and Buckingham Palace have been at loggerheads, it seems, all week, where at the last minute, he demands security for all his family they said no you can't have it they've offered him a place at the palace to stay and then eventually they say you can have it but he takes so long to try and accept it that by the time he accepts it they say the offer's been rescinded it's too late you had to say yes earlier in other words the usual trainwreck harry stuff my view and i've said this to you a lot before is i just think if i'm king charles enough of this bullshit just strip them of the titles, Meghan and Harry, let them do their thing, stop the drama, the circus that applies to them everywhere they go, and just keep them away from us, your thoughts.

Sadly, and over here, so I do begrudge you that we got saddled with these two, but I understand perfectly the frustration that you're feeling in watching him continue to manipulate the king and the country that to whom he should feel grateful and absolutely nothing other than grateful.But he doesn't.He's bitter.He's he is.He considers himself the spare and he's angry about it.He married somebody who leans into grievance at every turn and can't understand the blessings that our country's bestowed on her either.

And this is par for the course when he goes over there with this, you know, on and on objection to what kind of security he's going to get.He's got tens of millions of dollars over here, reportedly over one hundred million dollars.He can afford his own security.He says, oh, well, they can't have guns.You know what?You don't need guns.

There haven't been a ton of plots where we've seen people actually taking shots at the royal family.What you need is a bodyguard.You need over here being former NavySEAL type.Somebody to stop somebody from coming over and physically getting into your grill.attacking you or being too forthright in their interactions with you.

You don't need some sniper team.He's just pretending that.And then he released some absurd document from his team saying that there were at least six terrorist plots against him.Sure.I mean, it's like this guy is clearly going through his email and finding any nutcase.

We'll get you.The joke was this apparently meant he couldn't bring his family to London, but there was a potential he could take them to Birmingham.Now, for Americans who are not familiar, our Birmingham is about a two -hour drive from London, so apparently terrorists only geographically operate in a certain part of the country.I mean, it's complete nonsense.

No, it's so obvious that it's nonsense.

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I feel most sorry for are William and Catherine, because look what they're doing, Pierce.I don't have to tell you or your audience.They're over there doing the daily duties of a royal.They are showing up at the ribbon -cutting ceremonies.Now, as you know, the vast majority of being a royal is not all glitz and glam and hanging out with Taylor Swift.It's showing up at the small rinky -dink things, making people feel good about being a member of the kingdom.

And they do it, and they do it with some fanfare, but mostly people aren't thinking about them all day, every day.So they made the sacrifice.And these two, whenever they get a little bored, decide to get themselves in the news, typically at the expense of the royal family.And you and I both know why are they even talking about possibly having Megan go to the UK and bring the two children to the UK?Because they need another Netflix hit.Yeah, they're losers.

Everything they've touched has turned to shit other than the one expose on the royal family where she mocked how people have to curtsy in front of the queen.And they called the entire British public racist, and they were allowed to do this by Prince Harry.He had no qualms about shitting all over the people who made him rich and famous.And that's the only reason they want to go back over there, so they can either get Netflix cameras there and film their experience or come back home and do a confessional about how poorly they were treated.So I don't blame anyone, especially Will and Kate and the royal family, for saying, why do we keep indulging this?Because we're actually out here with a shoe leather work and don't look, don't want or approve of this kind of attention.

And these two delusional narcissists, every six to 18 months or so, decide they need another dose of adoration or just attention.They'll take it either way.And thanks to the king's love for his son, which I understand, they continue to get it.So I agree with you.The royal title should be pulled and we should stop engaging in the fiction that they have any love for King Charles.They don't.

They all knowlove for themselves.Correct.

And their bank balance says.I want to get your very quick take.I know you got a hard out today.Just three things I just wanted your observation on.One, you mentioned Taylor Swift.This gigantic wedding at Madison Square Garden, over 1 ,000 guests, incredible luxury, extravagance, and so on.

Most of Midtown Manhattan brought to a standstill and so on.You know, I like Taylor Swift.When I got married, there were 52 people there in a small chapel in Oxfordshire.Was it a bit OTT, this?

I mean, I may shock you, but I feel sorry for Taylor Swift.I really think she's empty inside.I think most people who seek fame at a very early age, like in their teens, are chasing after some sort of fullness that wasn't provided by their family of origin, for whatever reason.And it never comes.It's a lifelong pursuit, because fame and money adoration from strangers does not fill that void.Only you, God, and your immediate loved ones can.

Who has a thousand person wedding?Okay.And then, okay, maybe, maybe she does have that many friends and family.I don't know.You know, like if you're Italian, you got nonstop relatives.You could get to a thousand pretty quickly, which she's not.

And then we look at the guest list.Oprah, Really?Steven Spielberg?Those two are super close to Steven Spielberg?Bullshit.I don't believe that for one second.

Bradley Cooper?Okay, the music stars, I can accept.That makes some sense to me, that she would be immersed in country music in particular and would know a lot of the big stars there.But Adam Sandler officiating?OK, how did that come about?Oh, we're told by the papers that Travis and he were in Happy Gilmore 2 together.

When was Happy Gilmore 2 made?2025.2025.So I'm sure they go way back, Piers, to a year.

It reminds me, Megan, of Megan and Harry's wedding, where suddenly George Clooney popped up and there was no suggestion they'd ever met.I mean, I think it'smust have done but I know Oprah was sitting where all her family would sit because none of her family got invited.I mean it is a bit weird these kind of weddings where any celebrity you can think of rocks up for your most private nuptials.

It's so awkward.It makes me feel so uncomfortable.Can you imagine having that intimate exchange?My wedding too, to Doug, we had about 125, 130 people there, which is small by today's standards, but we knew every single person.We had an intimate connection with every single person there.It really meant something.

It felt like an event, didn't it?It was like a show.We're putting on a show here.

Totally.And the fact that it was at Madison Square Garden with all the plebs outside, like, oh, Taylor, God forbid they get anywhere near the actual couple.They just needed to be there playing their part in the play, right?

And how unpopular, Megan.

The Disney princess.

How unpopular and out of the loop and frozen into hell must you be to not make the top 1 ,000?I'm thinking of Blake Lively here.And their cataclysmic falling out where I mean, if you don't make the top thousand friends of Taylor Swift, you are in Siberia, aren't you?

Yeah, that's absolutely true.And they used to be very tight.Of course, they had the falling out over the Baldoni lawsuit and Blake's texts referring to Taylor as her dragon, as though Taylor Swift is just some serf to Blake Lively, the real queen of Hollywood.Like, she'll do what I tell her is really what she's saying.She behaves as directed.I'm the Khaleesi.

She's the dragon.That is ridiculous in its delusion.And also obviously offensive, and she did try to drag her into this litigation so she could prove that she was not some bully in her penthouse that night.But by the way, Taylor Swift should be on her knees thanking God that she wasn't dragged into this and exposed for her bullying, too.She participated in that penthouse summit with Justin Baldoni, who with all due respect to Baldoni,was a relative nobody in comparison to Ryan Reynolds, Blake Lively, and Taylor Swift.

Got dragged in there as they tried to hijack his movie.Taylor was complicit.She didn't know what the truth was about who was the villain and who wasn't.But she jumped right in to have the back of her friend without any questions.And has she updated her comments or said anything that would telegraph, I might have gotten that one wrong?Meanwhile, Justin Baldoni's been dragged through the mud for the past two years.

That nightmare Blake Lively, who can buy and sell him 100 times over, is now trying to seek $8 million from him in attorney's fees to get one claim dismissed.One.He filed one, and it was dismissed.And now she wants $8 million in attorney's fees for it.She filed 13 and 10 got dismissed, and he doesn't get any of his fees.She has torched her brand, you know.

This weird statue.

I just think she's torched her brand so badly.I mean, I can barely watch her on camera anymore.It's just so, you just think, God, you're obviously awful.

Not only did she bully him, and look, he's a filmmaker, he's not somebody of no stature, but the tapes that emerged of the way she behaved in that media tour are really what devastated her.In the first instance, then she tried to blame it on him.And now in the second instance, when it got raised as a defense to the litigation saying you caused this for yourself.But that interview with the Norwegian journalist in which the sweet unknown journalist who makes probably $60 ,000, $70 ,000 a year, if that, says, you know, I like your baby bump, to Blake Lively, who, by the way, is seven months pregnant in this exchange.And so clearly, you know, as a journalist, you do, if there's something extraordinary about your guest, physically, that's changed from when people have last seen them, you have to call attention to it.It's considered journalistic malpractice not to, if the audience is noticing it and you're not saying it,

This happened to me at the Supreme Court when I was a young correspondent.Anna Nicole Smith came personally on that whole dispute she had with her dead husband's family about whether she should get the money.She was transformed.She had lost 70 pounds.She was felt, she looks stunning.You gotta call attention to it, because everybody's otherwise looking at it.

So she did her job.and was completely diminished by Blake Lively and by the other actress who was with her, who was equally Parker Posey offensive.And that's really what made people hate her.People cannot stand a bully.No, I agree.Blake Lively is a bully.

Yeah.Finally, just very quickly, do you have a view on Folloran Balligan, the United States men's striker, top World Cup hope, who was Red card is suspended and Donald Trump has personally intervened to save the day for America, enraging pretty much everybody else in the football world in the process.Does this feel fair to you, Megan?

I will discount my opinion as reminding everybody that I know nothing about sports.I would take it for what it is worth, which is not much.But I do have a view on it, just having read up on it, which is it seems to me that Fife has been it's been corrupt for a very long time.We, FIFA, whatever, we were covering this back in 2015 when I was on the air at Fox about how there were like criminal cases and they could easily be bought and paid for.So I'm like, it's falling a little on deaf ears for people to now be like, oh, you know, how could they?I'm like, isn't this kind of their bread and butter?

And it also seems to me that there's a good case to be made that the red card was excessive from the start, that like people are indignant that it's now being undone, but there's no, objection to the fact that it was done in the first place and that on the field the refs saw nothing.

I don't think it should have been a red card but the bottom line is there has never been in World Cup history.a situation where someone's got a suspension for getting a red card, even if you don't think it was fair, and then it gets rescinded by FIFA.And they've done it because Donald Trump called Gianni Infantino, who runs FIFA, and asked him to put in a favour.The same Gianni, of course, who gave him a world peace prize recently.

Yes, that was made up.But let me ask you a question.Is that Trump's fault or is that Johnny's fault?

It's entirely in keeping with Donald Trump that he would make the call.But I do think FIFA should have stood firm and just gone, we can't do anything.I think it's going to turn into the big scandal of the World Cup.And if Bannigan scores tonight and knocks Belgium out, well, all hell's going to break loose.Megan, I've got to leave you there.You've been brilliant as always.

Thank you very much indeed.

Thanks for having me, Piers.

To debate all this, I'm joined by Dave Smith, host of Part of the Problem, Ben Ferguson, co -host of The Verdict with Ted Cruz, Martin Monhill, host of BET News, and Clay Travis, the founder of Outkick.Well, Clay Travis, let me start with you.Welcome back to Uncensored, because you've been spewing an absolute load of old guff about this on your social media.And I would simply say to you one question.If this was Belgium, who had done this to your lot, and they had got their president to call FIFA and demand a unique, unprecedented, first -time -ever rescinding of an automatic suspension for a red card during the World Cup, you, Clay Travis, I put it to you, would have gone absolutely bonkers and called it the most corrupt thing you'd ever seen.So why are you pretending that this is all squeaky clean?

Well, I don't even know if Belgium has a president or a leader.I don't know anything about Belgium other than we're going to kick their ass today a little bit.

The whole world wants you to lose now.You realize that.

Congrats to you, Piers.I'm going to be kind, charitable, right off the top.Amazing win for your Brits against Mexico.Awesome game last night.I know early morning win for everybody over in England.Look, this is maybe something that people outside of the United States haven't experienced.

Lawyers and judges get involved in American sporting contests all the time.I started off my career in college football.It is not uncommon, that is American football, not the NFL, American college football.Right now as we speak, there are many different lawsuits pending all over the country about whether quarterbacks are going to be able to play for teams, about whether or not players are going to be eligible.This is actually very common for American sports fans.Governors, senators, congressmen, They have regularly weighed in on American sporting controversy.

This has got nothing to do with the integrity of the World Cup.I'm sorry.You're avoiding the key question, Clay Travis, which is, you guys are cheating.And if Balligan plays tonight.We're not cheating at all.We're all cheating.

We just spoke on the open.This happened in 1962.They suspended the red card.And that was a fix.That was believed to be corruption.Also, also, Piers, Ronaldo, who I think told you you had great abs, Ronaldo was waved into the World Cup by...

He would have had to sit out the first two games.The red card was suspended for him too.Wait a minute.Wait a minute.I've seen this.You guys are all citing Cristiano Ronaldo because he got a red card in the qualifiers.

What happened in the next game that he was due to play?You don't know, do you?I don't know.No.Let me inform you.He didn't play.

He didn't play in the next qualifying game.

So all of the reports that he would have had to sit out two different games...

All the reports are completely erroneous.There was a suspension of two of the three games, but that was nothing to do with what happened in the next game.He got suspended.for a game.

Okay, but hold on, that's pretty significant.Ronaldo, superstar, got a favourable ruling from FIFA, just like the United States.But, Piers, I would come back to the original call.It was wrong.Rectifying a bad call is not in some way doing something inappropriate in the world of sport.I wouldn't have complained if Belgium had never had a player coming back.

Let me bring in Marlon Hill.There's an irony here, of course, because Valerian Barragan is actually a classic example of a birthright citizen of the United States.He had Nigerian parents, His mother was heavily pregnant.They were stopping over, I think, in New York.And it was deemed she wasn't fit to fly because she was so heavily pregnant.So he was born in New York.

And then they immediately left very soon afterwards.So, you know, by Trump's own definition, this hero who he saved for the nation, if he'd had his way with the Supreme Court last week, he'd have sent him packing.He'd have removed your citizenship.

Yeah, that's absolutely true.And I don't want to single out Donald Trump, although I would love to have the opportunity to single out Donald Trump.When you look around the world and all these countries, particularly European countries, many of the countries that have the most intense and draconian migration policies or anti -immigrant policies often benefit from the talents of the people who go on the other side of those policies.I mean, look at France, just as one example.And we see it all the time.There's a running joke among African, Afro -descendant football players, right?

They say, you know, they let you play in France, and they'll say, oh, yeah, you know, do they call you French?And again, if we win, we're French.If we lose, we're African.So there's always this interesting tension about who they are.But I don't want to miss what Clay just said, because Clay said something really interesting, and I think he's right, that America's such a litigious society that it's not, and politicized society, that it's not uncommonfor lawyers and politicians to involve themselves in matters of sport.

But there's a difference between involving yourself in matters of sport at the level of policy and involving yourself in matters of sport at the level of calling balls and strikes, effectively saying, that was a bad call.We need to rectify it.It was an absolutely bad call.But here's the other piece of it.Lots of bad calls are made.And if Donald Trump's the only person who jumps in and intervenes, then that still creates an unlevel playing field for when a bad call was made against Sweden, or Morocco, or Ghana, or against England when we were playing, or Croatia.

All right, Ben Ferguson, Ben Ferguson, I can see, I can see you like smirking away as if none of this is really serious.It is serious.

Okay, let's just talk sports.I played in college, and when you go and you choose who you're going to play for, you know what you look at?You look at the coach, and you look at the team around the coach, and you look at the athletic department, and when you pick a school, you say, who is going to be my biggest advocate?The best players in the world when they retire.Who is it they're always talking about?They're talking about their advocates.

They're talking about their coaches.They're talking about their parents.Talking about their strength and training.They're talking about their teammates.The president of the United States of America is on Team USA.And he called and he did exactly what a real leader does.

And if you don't like it, then maybe you need to elect another leader in your country.If you have a crybaby.And you don't have a real leader that will make a damn phone call to advocate for your team, man.Like, I can't think stupid.

Let me just tell you.Let me just tell you.I'm a great advocate for my team.

Well, then you should man up.

Wait a minute.And you should be like, hell yeah, that's leadership.Wait a minute.

That's what I'd want my country to do.

Before you vent your spleen in an ever more ridiculous manner, I was up till 5 AM last night watching my team, England, put on the best performance I've seen them do in my lifetime.And if you got screwed in the back vault, I hope you go to Twitter and you fire it off.And you know what worries me?What worries me is when we do win the World Cup, within days of a 250th anniversary of our independence, then Trump will simply call Gianni Fantino and just demand that he get removed.Let me get my American violin for you guys out here.You're now heading towards a genuinely corrupt fascist country when it comes to sports.

football.However, there is a political dimension to this, which is the principle of the President of the United States, who are hosting the World Cup for the entire world, literally boasting today, proudly, of directly intervening to put pressure on the head of FIFA to reverse an on -field decision and to put America's best player back in the team tonight.I just think on every level, that is an appalling attack on the integrity of sport.Your thoughts?

I mean, Pierce, this might be a record.I've done your show so many times.I don't know if there's ever been a topic I don't have an opinion on, but I think we may have found it.I do enjoy, I was entertained by Ben's unique brand of Republican boomer cum slop, but I don't know.Listen, man, you're right, Pierce.I default agree with you.

It seems like that's kind of corrupt for him to put his thumb on the needle.I'm just saying, this is the president who literally just threatened to end a civilization and said Allah Akbar at the end of it.We're way past the point of him bragging about doing crazy corrupt things and evil and putting his thumb on the scale.The great Megyn Kelly did point out that FIFA has a history of corruption there.but they're doing a deal with DC.Let's talk about the corruption of DC.

Let's talk about the wealth extracted from the people, from the military industrial complex and the banking industrial complex and big pharma, this whole cartelized racket economy.I don't care about soccer because I'm American.I could give you the whole history of the Knicks.I agree.Go watch a game and have fun.You and I agree on this.

Dave, you and I agree.We agree.Soccer sucks.A game that no one wins the majority of the time is a terrible game.But during the World Cup, they finally make you win.

If I may intervene, A, it's called football.Only you lot call it soccer.It's called football and it is the most watched and most played sport in the world by miles.More than all of your four big sports put together.Nobody else in the world has to wear helmets and padding to play football other than you lot.

Pierce, can I just connect this to the 250th anniversary of America?We literally took a game.We found a new sport.and we called it a name of a sport that already existed and was the biggest sport in the world and had been played since the time of Jesus.And then we just took, and you know what, it's the most American shit ever, dude, I'm sorry.

We'll move on.If Balligan scores tonight and knocks out Belgium, this is going to be the biggest scandal.Can I ask you a question though?

I have to ask you a question about soccer in general.My best friend, my college roommates England.So I watched England, watched the game, I celebrated for him, FaceTimed the whole thing.But like when you wake up outside of the World Cup in these knockout rounds where someone actually has to win, do you wake up in the morning like, man I can't wait to spend my hard -earned British poundson a game that more than likely is gonna end in a tie?Like, is that not just the most depressing thing ever?

The thing is, Ben, I'll give you a better example, cricket.Okay, so the biggest battle in cricket in the world is England v. Australia.It's called the Ashes.Yeah.Happens every two years.The Ashes is over five matches.

Each match lasts up to five days.Each day has eight hours of cricket.And after 200 hours of competition, the score sometimes can end up 0 -0.Which is so stupid.And you know why we did that?You know why we did that?

Precisely.It's so dumb.So that Americans with your limited sporting brains would never, ever, you'd never want to play it.Why would you want to play it?I've never had a conversation.Let me just say this to you.

The final score is 150 to 120.I went to this amazing game.You're not interested.It's like your, it's like your hometown.

Everything has to be massive.When you go to a game in America, they ask you a question, who won?And never in my life have I ever been like, dude, I went to this amazing game and no one won.Like no one won.Like that's the dumbest thing in sports.Sports is there to win or lose.

I want to lose.Let me just point this out.

I want a winner.Let me just point this out.Yes Clay.Are you prepared for a world where the United States is better at your beloved football or soccer as we call it here?

I will give you, yes.

All this, all this, hold on.All this Balligan kerfuffle to me represents is the rest of the world is starting to shake in their boots because they're recognizing the big bad USA.is starting to pay enough attention to soccer that we could be the best in the world.

I think it is actually wonderful to see the issue of birthright citizenship show such a shining example of success as it does with Balligan, who is the purest personification of the very thing that President Trump, who's saving him for the nation,to kick out of the country.Right, let's just turn to something more serious.Clay, let's talk about Israel for a moment, because a really disturbing development, of many disturbing developments, I think, involving this Israeli government.They are now currently defying or indicating they're going to defy a Supreme Court ruling in Israel about broadcast media, and it's done to keep control over the media.And if they do that, I just have one question.

As somebody who I know, in your case, who supports Israel, and I support Israel and their right to exist and so on, all that stuff, put that to one side, this Israeli government is now doing things I think are reprehensible.I just wonder, how does a country claim and continue to claim to be the only democracy in the Middle East if the Prime Minister and the government actually defy their own laws in this way?

I will not claim to be an expert on how free speech principles are applied in Israel.I am, in the United States, an expert on that.My legal history, I've written a lot about it, everything else.As a general province and perspective on everything, Piers, I'm a huge believer in the marketplace of ideas.And I believe the more of us who share our opinions, your show is a great example of this, even though you're completely wrong about Dalligan, I respect the fact that as a long -suffering English soccer fan, you can have a strong take on it.I want for all of the perspectives in the world to be shared freely.

I don people for their opinions they are controversial.U come as a collective grou result with all of that' that I would put in place is restricting inside ofown country, that ability to have a robust and uninhibited debate about what the future of the country's political perspective should be, then I would be opposed to that.But again, I'm not an expert in this particular Supreme Court decision or how the interplay...

OK, let me bring in Dave Smith, because Dave Smith, this is a prima facie moment, I think, in time, which even Naftali Bennett, who is jostling to be the next prime minister, having been it before, says is completely outrageous and a real threat to Israeli democracy, which it is. I mean, if a country just ignores what its Supreme Court has laid down as a rule, if Trump did this, people would say he's ending democracy.

Yeah, and of course, it was Benjamin Netanyahu's efforts to curtail the power of the Supreme Court that had led to major protests in Israel in 2003, leading up to October 7th.And this was a major event in Israeli history.It's been completely overshadowed because much more major events came after it.Now, Netanyahu, from what I understand, has not exactly taken a stance on this yet.And I think it'll be interesting where he comes down.You know, Piers, again, when you talk about Israeli democracy, I just think there's so many people here who are looking at the situation going, look, Israel has ruled over 7 million people for 60 years without giving them citizenship or voting rights.

So what do we even mean?We're talking about Israeli democracy.Listen, you can make a strong argument that democracy is an illusion everywhere.Every society ends up being an oligarchy of some sort or another.But this is just such a blatant contradiction that the word essentially means nothing.There's not even been an attempt to give these people citizenships or voting rights or any natural rights.

And so, you know...Or human rights.Yeah, look, the bottom line here is that the world The Israelis have been very upset about some of the moves that the Israeli government has made.doing with the Supreme Court for the last few years.The world is not upset about that.The world is upset about the destruction in Gaza.

The world is upset about the destruction in Lebanon.The world is upset about the destruction in Iran.And the world is upset that Israel managed to pull America into the dumbest war in American history, and then we went and lost the thing, against the advice of Israel.every rational critic who's been arguing against this war for 20 plus years, the whole time the DC establishment has been trying to launch it.And it went exactly like we all told you it was going to go.And so.

I don't know.Those are the things that I care about.

All right.Ben Ferguson, look, you know, it's been very interesting to watch the erosion of support for Israel in America in particular, where nearly two thirds of the country now have a negative view of Israel.And I think it's entirely down to the actions of Netanyahu and his government, driven and fueled and manipulated by some of the most psychotic right -wing headbangers I think any government has ever had.In Ben Gavir, Smodric, these guys, they keep just seem to be competing to say and do the more and more outrageous things.And I think that the combined effect of that is making Israel increasingly unpopular.And for people like me that like Israel and know a lot of Israelis and care about the country, I find this is an incredibly sad thing to watch.

I think there's a couple of things here.One, some of the anti -Semitism that we're seeing in this country is because there are outside forces that are pushing it very hard.We can debate that later, but it's very well documented.I don't just need that for a moment.

I think there are genuine anti -Semites out there who hate Jewish people.

And a lot of funding and a lot of money and a lot of time on social media.But let's move past that for a second.There are certain principles that I will always defend.One of those, and you can look at Ukraine, for example, suspendingelections for years on end.I'm against that.

Right.I don't care who's in charge.I understand there's an intense war for a time period where you can't have an election for safety.But the idea that Zelensky has done what he's done and not had these elections is absurd.

Well, there is an intense war.What are you talking about?There is literally an intense war.He's had to declare martial law because millions and millions of voters have had to leave the country.are fighting.

Let me go back.So there is an intense war.Let me go back to what I'm saying.Zelensky can hold on to power indefinitely as long as he's in a war that's intense and you're justified in not having an election.

But he's literally in an intense war because Russia keeps bombarding his country.But hold on.

Here my point out here.

I'm going to say that I advocate for people to have an election.There are ways that they can do an election.There are ways they can do mail -in ballots.There are ways that you can have the people have a say.The same way I'm saying that, I'll go back to Israel.I love Israel.

I stand with Israel.I do think there can be flaws and you can say that.One of the examples is if you're limiting free speech, I will always be an advocate for free speech.And I think as a friend, we need to remind them that free speech is incredibly important and freedom of the press is incredibly important.You can have that conversation without it be just trying to hit a scoreboard against Netanyahu.Right.

I think you're going to see a major change.

If he wants to promote free speech, why doesn't he let the media into Gaza?

I go back to, I go back to the point that I just made.I'm in favor of free speech.You can advocate for that with your friends.I understand that's why I'm advocating for it right now.The same way that I'm advocating for there to be elections when there's a guy that's holding on to power like Zelensky is another example.There's certain principles I will always be in favor of.

Free and fair elections, I'm in favor of.Free speech, freedom of press, it's what I do.I'm in favor of that.So can I advocate for that?Yes.I also think that when it's used against you in an anti -Semitic way, that's what bothers many people is they're like anybody that says they're a failure in the words of failure

that's absurd.

As someone who's been covering Israel -Palestine for two decades, and as a professor of Middle Eastern studies, I'm fascinated by the discourse.I love Ben.Ben's a dear friend.I forgot he was an athlete until I watched the way he turned himself into a pretzel to say everything from Zelensky to anti -Semitism, everything but Israel's doing it wrong.I think the way we're framing this is a bit curious.To say that Israel is this democratic place that has a kind of departure momentarily because of Netanyahu I think is to misrepresent Israel as a state itself, which is not a state of all of its citizens, which itself is an apartheid state, definitionally and definitionally anti -democratic.

So what we're seeing from Netanyahu, Netanyahu is the Israeli state project on steroids.Netanyahu is not an exception to Israel.He's just the worst iteration that we've seen of it.And we do ourselves a disservice by pretending that Netanyahu is some alien that came down from another planet.And none of that is anti -Semitic.There's lots of anti -Semitism in the world and there's lots of anti -Semitism in the public discourse.

But the criticism of Netanyahu defined the Supreme Court, as has been previously stated, is not a new one, and it's not even one made from the outside.In September, right before October 7th of 2023, we saw the exact same thing as has been stated.We saw marches by the Israeli left, by Israeli liberals, people who are Zionists, people who defend Israel's right to rule over Palestinians.They still are like, you know what, but Netanyahu's a dick.And so there's a very organized, structured resistance.to Netanyahu's disrespect of the Supreme Court, disrespect of free speech.

But again, the disrespect of free speech in Israel does not begin and end with Netanyahu.You can't fly a Palestinian flag in Jerusalem right now, or five years ago, or 15 years ago, and I don't care who the prime minister was, you couldn't do it.Palestinians have never had the right to march with free speech.If we talk about refuseniks, if we talk aboutJewish leftists, many of them have also been silenced in Israel.So none of this is new, so let's not pretend that it is.

And the reason why the world is paying attention right now is not because Netanyahu you know, cross some third rail, it's because we're paying more attention now.We have social media.We have more people speaking out.People saw the ugly deaths.People got to lay their eyes on the genocide.I've been working in media again, finally, for a very long time.

And when we saw the bodies after Operation Cast Lead, when we saw the bodies after Operation Protective Edge, we were able to stand up as a community and say, you know what?What the Democrats have been telling us is wrong.What the Republicans have been telling us is wrong.There's a problem here.And honestly, I wish more people were as outraged about Trump of intervening in Israeli diplomacy as they are with him intervening in a soccer game.

Mark, October 7th, have you been to the kibbutzes and sat with the families?Yes.Okay, you've been in the kibbutzes and sat with the families and heard what happened to them and how their children were burned alive.You've been there?I've answered your question, yes.I've been to Israel 30 times.

Did you go to where the concert was and meet with the people who watched their friends be gunned down right before their eyes and die in their arms or trying to save their life?

I didn't go to where the concert was, to that specific venue, I didn't go to that specific spot.

Have you been to the kids, and I'm grabbing this, because this is important to see.I met with every family of every kid.None of this has to do with what we're talking about.I don't know why, hold on.I met with every family of every child that was killed on that soccer field, and this is what they gave me.The idea that you act like that day didn't happen, and that somehow Israel's the aggressor.

What did I say?When these are the children.I didn't say, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Hold on, you're misrepresenting, you're misrepresenting.You misrepresented what I said.You can show all the children you want.I can show you thousands.

I can show you tens of thousands of Palestinians.all shout, please.Let me ask Ben Ferguson.That's not what I said.Hang on.Mark.

Ben Ferguson, let me ask you, have you met with any of the Gazan families of the 20 ,000 children who've been killed?

Yes, I have.I actually have.I met with them in D .C.Not once, but twice.Where?

Because I'm not afraid to meet with people and to hear what they're saying.But I go back to the point that the reason why I have this in my desk, when you're playing soccer and you just get killed and your kids get killed because of terrorists that are being supported by Hezbollah, Hamas and the Palestinian state, and then you act as if somehow Israel invite this on themselves.and you say that they're committing genocide, that is just a lie, Mark.It's a lie.

But okay, let me respond.I literally said nothing about October 7.

I literally said nothing.

That's my point.

You literally made my point.You act like it didn't happen.You act like Israel just goes in and bombs the Gaza Strip for no reason.It happened because of this and many other kids that were killed.I don't think I listen.

I don't think anyone knows.Everyone's talking too much.I don't think – look, Ben, no one is claiming that Israel had no right to defend itself and had no justification in attacking Hamas.Of course they did.It's about the scale of what they did in response to what happened that has begun to horrify the rest of the world.It's the scale of the aggressive expansions in the West Bank.

It's the scale of the massively over -the -top assault on southern Lebanon.It's the persuasion of the United States to join Israel in this massive attack.crazy war in Iran, which has turned out to be a complete fiasco.It's all of that stuff that is concerning people, not Israel's original rights.

That's not my position.But Piers, there's a cause and effect.I feel like you're a country that is on a stopwatch.I think Netanyahu clearly there's a cause and effect.You do October the 7th, you feel like you're surrounded, you feel like people are coming after you 24 -7, you feel like you're having and taking it from all sides and you feel like you're on a stopwatch and you have to go after the terrorists as fast as you can before you lose the opportunity.If the terrorists don't like and people don't like what happened, Go back to October 7th and look at what's happened since then.

There's a cause and effect.

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It's fine.Well, it was mutual interrupting going on.What he's representing is my position.All right.What he's been representing is my position.I heard your positions very clearly.

Clay Travis.You didn't hear my position.You asserted your position is my position, which is not my position.

OK.I've lost track of whose position is what.

But let me bring Clay just in to answer this question.

Because you didn't let me say it.What is your position?

My position is that the history of Israel -Palestine does not begin and end with October 7th.It is not about who did it first on October 7th.I agree.It is that Israel has illegally occupied Palestine since day one.Israel does not have a right to defend itself in areas that it is illegally occupying.That is what I'm saying.

I'm also saying...Position stated.

Position stated.Fair enough.Thank you.Clay Travis, very quickly.Iran, I think, has been what I feared it would be from the start.It's been a disaster.

and I think Donald Trump has correctly assessed it as that and has been doing everything to get out of this as fast as he can humanly do so with the minimum amount of damage.I mean, do you accept that?

I think that President Trump has made a good decision to get out of the...Look, the big picture, the question is, if you're going to truly remove the leadership of Iran, you have to put boots on the ground.I think President TrumpTrump has decided that boots on the ground does not make sense because of the disaster that occurred with George W. Bush in Iraq and with our failures in Afghanistan.And so if you are not willing to put boots on the ground, I think the best thing you can do as we get ready for the midterms is do what he has done, which is bring the price of oil and gas back close to $3 a gallon.

And by the way, you're not going to be able to topple the regime without boots on the ground.Oh, who'd have thought?

Ben was saying something that I think is significant.He was talking about Ukraine.One of the things that doesn't get enough attention that I think is one of the strong points of American history, we had elections, Pierce.In 1864, in the middle of the Civil War, Abraham Lincoln was reelected.And in 1944, in the middle of World War II, FDR was reelected.I think one of the strengths of a democratic government is that you can actually have an election during the course of a, you know, awful war, and I do think that deserves to be discussed.

I've got to jump away because I've got my show starting here.We've got to leave it there anyway.Go USA.

Go USA.Great to see you.Yeah, go USA.Let's hope Ballaghan scores three goals and drives you to the next stage.And then you'll be so cranky.And you can all hold your heads up high with pride that a man who is the personification of birthright citizenship has saved the United States for another day.

What's that guy's name?

Farmer, CPA?Wouldn't that be truly ironic, wouldn't it?

What's your Prime Minister's name now?Does anyone even know?Well, he's leaving.His name's Keir Starmer.He's a quitter, yeah.Well, don't get a quitter.

Get a real leader.That's right.You don't have to know.

When Harry Kane gets a red card in the next game against Norway, we'll get the Prime Minister to call up FIFA and demand he gets rescinded.Hey, call Trump.We'll help you out.

You guys need our help.We'll help you out like we always have.

We're good allies like that.Thank you.And we're so grateful.We're good allies.Because eventually you did help us out in World War II.I mean, it took you a few years, but eventually you came to the party.

Thank you all very much indeed.Happy 250th to all of you.I can't say that with any real meaning, because for me, it was a complete disaster.It's not 250 for black people.But I'll pretend I'm happy for you, as I will if Ballaghan scores tonight.Thank you very much, guys.

See ya.Thank you.

Well, I'm pleased to say I'm joined now by an old friend of mine, the music legend and KISS founder and frontman Gene Simmons.Gene, welcome back to Uncensored.How are you?

Well, I'm sure glad I'm not part of that panel.

Why?

Well, everybody's got a point of view, but everybody had their opinions about America and World War Two, the damage done.We did all sorts of things that in time of war, a country can validate.And it's horrible.The innocent lives lost.I mean, America, firebomb dressed in who knows, one hundred thousand people were wiped out, men, women and children.And we dropped two nuclear bombs.

on Japan and God knows how many innocent people died.I don't want to shrug it off.It's war.

But wasn't that the point though, Gene?Wasn't the point, the whole point, I mean, it was obviously the British who did most of the carpet bombing in Dresden.And with that and the use of the two atomic bombs, the whole point of what happened after World War II, the construction of a Geneva Convention and so on, was to try and stop the world doing this kind of thing again.

Yeah, that doesn't work unless and if and when.Both sides agree, and I'm not a political pundit.I'm sitting here in the peanut gallery basically saying it's tough to talk about foreign policy or what to do or what's right and what's wrong with a country that you can get in a car and drive across the border right to the Mediterranean in two or three hours.It's a very, very small place.And so from their perspective, they're surrounded by people.And one of the newer, well, it's a very, very old, very proud culture coming from Cyrus the Great, the great Cyrus the Great.

I'm a student of history.And I think I knew this was going to get political.The last thing you want is for a certain country to go nuclear.End of story.And then how you do that is open for debate.But I'm pretty clear the man that you and I both know is not going to let that happen, no matter whether they're boots on the ground or not, or whether the Israelis are going to finish the job or the Americans.

this country will not go nuclear, no matter what it takes, because you cannot, you cannot take the chance.I mean, this little country in 1982, through their Mossad, found out that Mr. Saddam Hussein was going to go nuclear, that he had nuclear reactors, 1982.They warned him on a Friday, as a student of history, I know the details, that he must take down his nuclear facilities or dawn of Monday, they're going to go cross borders, break international law, not discuss it with the UN or anybody else for their own survival.They're going to go and take out those nuclear reactors.Saddam Hussein ignored it.Israel broke international airspace, broke all kinds of laws, went in there, just bombed everything.

Innocent people died.I know that.And they took out and they sent Saddam Hussein back to the Stone Age, in other words, rifles and guns and so and so.And when the Israelis were asked why they did that, they said,we don't want war.But if there's going to be war, we prefer a non -nuclear war.

So this country that everybody's, as they say, pussyfooting around, has threatened to go nuclear for a long time.I personally don't trust a religious government that's insane that wants to go nuclear.And this little country deciding on their own or deciding, well, that's never going to happen.

The US may or may not join in on that the problem the problem Jane with this is that well in relation to the Iraq analogy For example, Saddam Hussein remained in powers quite a lot of parallels here with the Iranian regime He remained in power for many many years after that He built up a pretty ferocious arsenal of weaponry to the extent that the Americans told the world He's got weapons of mass destruction and is going to use them and that was in the early 2000s nearly 20 years later So, you know the problem I have with the Iran war is not that they are a despicable regime.They are.And not that they've been the tentacles, their tentacles are spread to supporting Hamas, the Houthis, Isbola and so on, because they have.The question becomes, how do you deal with them in the same way you've got to deal with rogue nations like North Korea and so on?And I just think this, I think this war has been a complete disaster because at the end of it, we now have the Iranian regime still in power.The IRGC is still running the show.

The Ayatollah's son is more radical than he was.is now in charge.And they've developed this new thing of the Strait of Hormuz being used as a battering ram to hold the world's energy supply over a barrel.And none of this is a win.All of it is a loss.So I don't disagree with the principle of what you're saying, which is if you've got a rogue nation threatening people with nukes, fine.

But you've got to win, because if you leave them more emboldened at the end of it, it's a disaster.

These are all wonderful talking points by much smarter people than I will ever be and your panel was very good and you've always been the master of just eloquence.You've got that British stuff going in your favor.You're a powerful and attractive man in your own right.But at the end of the day, the headline is, this country will never go nuclear.I don't care how you get there.There are going to be a lot of transgressions of human rights, democracy.

Of course, war is hell.America Shamefully put, it's Japanese citizens in concentration, wait, you can't call them concentration camps.They were fed, nobody was tortured, but yes, they were separated.Racism, all kinds of things happened in the war, just horrible stuff.The important thing is, the headline will stand, the line in the sand has been drawn.No more talking, IATSE, UN sending people to take a look at, the Israelis have the most advanced intelligence service on the planet.

Mr. Putin said so in a recent interview.Who are the best?Well, we like our Russian system, the CIA is very good, but Mossad is the best.He said as much.But the bottom line is, the line in the sand for this little country is, nobody wants to go to war, but this country will never go nuclear.And they will do whatever they need to do.

And along the way, We'll have panels talk about it, and how you do this, and settlements, and I can agree and disagree with all kinds of things, but the headline is that country will never go nuclear.

Okay, but the problem I have is that last time I checked, Iran still has all its enriched uranium and has no intention of giving it up.So quite why this has been a success in dismantling their nuclear program is completely beyond me.

Anyway, I don't worry.Don't worry.There was there was a very respectable intelligence service in Iran that was designed to find all the Mossad agents within Iran.This is fact and you can look it up.And they were not very successful because the head of the Iranian, let's get the Mossad agents, I think was actually a Mossad agent.

Right.Although I think there will be massive questions when the proper inquiry happens about why the world's number one intelligence agency had no idea that 3 ,000 terrorists were going to swarm over the border of Israel and commit that heinous attack on October 7th.That remains to me a complete mystery.You can put pages, you can put exposures into 3 ,000 pages, but you don't know that 3 ,000 terrorists are planning the worst attack on your country ever.Anyway, that's for another day.

And America didn't see 9 -11 coming and the Pearl Harbor coming.This is all true.

Let me ask you, Gene, just quickly about the 250th anniversary of independence, of American independence.What is the state of America right now from your perspective?You know, you've seen it come and go through the decades, good, bad, ugly, terrible things, great things.Where is America right now?You know, our friend Donald Trump, we were on the first series of Celebrity Apprentice.That's how we got to know him properly.

You know, what do you feel about where America is under Trump?

Despite the political polarization and, you know, free speech allows the least qualified or the most qualified to have an opinion.It all rises.One man, one vote, as they used to say.So the drunk on the corner gets to vote, and Elon Musk gets to vote.And so you canmake your own assessments whether that's real or not.

So the smallest dogs bark loudest.But I will tell you from, because I get to see both.I get to see the Wall Street, the big hitters, and regular folks.When I travel, I fly commercial.I have a solo band.We go do shows all over the place.

I meet regular people.Yes, I have bodyguards and all that, but they treat people regularly.I am more enthused about this very bizarre country, the United States of America, than I have ever been.My mother, as you may have known, was in the concentration camps of Nazi Germany at 14 years of age.No matter how bad you think the world is, this is nothing.Everybody's got growing pains.

I love the Brits, you know, just every time I go there it's wonderful, certain parts anyway.And it bears noting the most popular male name for a child in England is now Mohammed.Make of it what you will, the world is changing.

But that's only because a lot of Muslim families call their kids Mohammed.That's just a cultural thing.

No it's not, it's a religious thing but I'm not here.You can decide in your country what it's going to be.

The Muslim community, far more of them percentage wise call their sons Muhammad than any other community.I think it's six in ten.So there's no other community where six in ten are called the same name.Fantastic.Why does that matter?

No, it doesn't matter for anybody on the outside.It's nobody's business, including my own.You asked me about America, and so my point was going to be that living here and having been all over the world,and my history with my family and so on, I am more enthused about this country than I've ever been.I've lived through the Vietnam War and whether that's right and wrong and panels discuss it and so on.On one side, it was to stop communism from spreading.

And then the other side says, no, it's about oil and stuff like that.communism stopped spreading.So at the end of the day, my reason for, I was asked by the White House to come in and narrate honoring the veterans of World War II.By the way, that's also the Brits.You guys were there.So my heart, my admiration, goes out to the Spitfire fighters who single -handedly stopped the German air machine.

Germany couldn't beat these little guys from farms on these little rickety -tick Spitfires that were technologically advanced, but didn't look like much.They single -handedly stopped the Germans from being able to go and, you know, and this little island couldn't be conquered, you know, by the great German war machine.But I want to say that For me, the promise of America is still this idea that the greatest document starts off with, we the people, is an astonishing idea.By the way, all borrowed from the Magna Carta, a wonderful document.And it bears noting, coming over here from the former colony, And I apologize to King George for ever having left the kingdom.We should have been smarter.

You're going to start a war about tea?Americans don't like tea.It should have been about coffee.The tea party.You take our coffee away, we got a problem.The tea party.

Get out of here.But I want to say that the important thing is thatit's tough to get a point of view from almost anybody.Because look, aliens land, another planet, land in Harlem, which I've been to.And as you know, I used to go out with Diana Ross.I love the black community, but just in terms of perspective.

So the aliens land in Harlem and they take out their you know, they're record -keeping stuff because they want to report back on their planet what they saw.And factually, what they saw is everybody was African -American.They go back to their planet and they saw, here are the facts.We saw everybody was African -American.Therefore, the Earth is African -American.Well, partly true, but predominantly not.

So perspective is based on the information you get.The short answer to your question, even though I love the sound of my own voice, is I am in love with America now more than I've ever been.Remember, I lived through the Vietnam era where people were being beaten up on the street if they had long hair, long hair and, you know, and all that stuff.And racism was still rampant.You know, Diana was telling me how they headlined, the Supremes headlined a tour with the Dave Clark Five opening up and the bus goes to the southern states and there were bullet holes.And they think, look, Democracy is is messy.

You got to fight for it.And I'm such a big fan.And there are a lot of things that the man in power does that I believe is absolutely right.And there are certain things I disagree with.Democracy is messy.And so my advice to anybody in a free society is agree or disagree.

But the next time there's an election, vote your conscience.Yeah, I don't agree.agree with the English system where you get a new PM because the party's in charge, where the people can say, well, wait a minute, where's my vote?

I agree.I've made this point repeatedly.We've had seven prime ministers in 10 years.It's driving me nuts.If you want to be prime minister of my country, have an election and win a vote and a mandate from your electorate.Gene, I've got to leave you there.

I talked to you for hours.Next time, let's have a longer, have a longer chat.Next time you've got the time, let's have a proper, proper chat about life because I love talking to you.

And by the way, good luck to the Brits because the Americans are coming for that World Cup.

They're coming.You will be if you keep bending the rules and cheating.Gene, I've got to leave it there.Take care of my friend.Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent.The only boss around here is me.

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